Why is it certain that once the Brits start fighting the Russians the US will be involved. Ukraine is not part of NATO. Article 5 is specific to attacks on NATO countries. Brits in Ukraine mean nothing to us and will not trigger Article 5. I can see our President telling Sir Kear Starmer to pound sand. If Europe wants to go full on anti-Russia I say let them go alone.
Jack seems like a repeat record. WWi begat the League of Nations. WWII begat UN. WWIII will rise the NWO antichrist. Meanwhile I'm going to repeat my music and pray to God
Todd, Thank you for your service. I hope that Trump will break that cycle by treating with Russia and allowing Europe to go their own way. Ukraine was just an excuse to bait the bear. We were as guilty of it as anyone but we can change our ways. I hope we do.
Sadly perhaps the Revelations of bears in the Bible have not been headed ...or either they are making it this way to bring world disaster and usher in the nwo
The NATO, the deadliest terrorist organization on earth...If NATO had been disbanded after the end of the Cold War, millions of dead would still be alive today. That is the truth.
So. EU wants a global war with Russia. Any goals or reasons, beside hatred for Russia? Is this some collective need to suicide themselves. That’s all? That’s the total?
Since Zelenski is a dictator, having banned elections, opposition parties and orthodox churches, option #1 seems unlikely. Since Friday where “we (US) are out” now. And UK-EU backs the Gotebully drug addict sock puppet Zelenski.
Also Trump made it clear your option #2 will not happen.
So either Zekenski is replaced, the minerals/energy deal Zelenski signed with the UK is revised to fit into Trump’s plan.
Or option #3. I predict when BritishGerman and French young men enter the meat grinder stalemate pointless war, they All come back to the table.
In the mean time, Phootin knows to leave us out of it. While we boost up to Counter China-Iran-Venezuela-Cartels. And remove Biden’s terrorist cells he let in to Gitmo.
A single nuclear weapon can destroy a city and kill most of its people. Several nuclear explosions over modern cities would kill tens of millions of people. Casualties from a major nuclear war between the US and Russia would reach hundreds of millions.
NATO was created to protect Europe and Great Britain from the Soviet Union (Communism) during the rebuilding of the nations after WWII. The Soviet Union is gone, rebuilding completed, NATO is outdated. The United States should have pulled out of NATO when the EU was formed.
The time to have stopped Russia was shortly after the 2014 de facto annexation of Crimea and before the closely subsequent invasion of the Donetsk region. Arguably, Russia had to stabilize the Sevastopol port - Russia's largest military warm-water port - during the color revolution 2 weeks after the Sochi Olympics or risk a siege in Crimea and direct attacks on support personnel of Russians in that area. Only a puppet Ukrainian previous administration had allowed Russia to continue occupying Ukraine's Sevastopol after the fall of the USSR but that vanished quickly, without warning, and without clarity what would come next in 2014.
It's gone on too long now for Russia to withdraw from the southeast of Ukraine - the only connection to Crimea before the Kersh bridge was built years later, itself a tenuous connection that has already been attacked by Ukraine. See current war map here: https://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.11679266819489;37.739980468749984&zoom=8
Unfortunately, there is no combination of rivers or mountains that would form a natural or defensible geographical new border between "new" Ukraine and an expanded Russia, i.e. the frontlines are indefensible and have been laid with over a million land mines instead, which, it's estimated will take decades to clear (I modeled a unique anti-mine drone, so I know something about landmines from that research: https://bit.ly/BAMdrone).
President Zelenskyy has suggested a buffer zone. I think he actually DOES have some negotiating power about that, but it'll have to be in Ukrainian territory and he's unwilling to consider that. It would be like the Korean DMZ, barely stable, heavily patrolled and extensively cleared and mined for the foreseeable future.
There might be an agreement for the U.S./Euro region to maintain the new "border" against future Russian incursion, but not NATO; a new peacekeeping force. Just agreeing on that, as well as the fate of Sevastopol, could take weeks or months, and time is not on Ukraine's since, as Trump has correctly, if unsympathetically, pointed out.
Life, and war, is deeply unfair. But we should not fall in love with lines on a map. dozens of countries have formed, broken up, reformed, since the world's largest nation-recognizing body - the U.N. - was formed. No one can defend the indefensible, but agreements over new realities are still possible.
Article 6 of NATO treaty says that member troops or equipment attacked in Ukraine would not invoke article 5. But they will provoke Russia to strike a member nation or false flag it.
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
"The plan is for the UK to send soldiers to Ukraine, set them up to be shot by Russians or in a false flag attack, and then claim Article 5 of the NATO treaty requires the United States to send soldiers to bail them out."
Trump needs to take the US out of NATO. But will he?
The goal of the military-industrial complex, NATO, much of Europe is a war with Russia. The US military has planned for that war since the closing days of WWII, when the Soviet Union was our ally. However, our present President does not appear to be anxious for a war with Russia (of course, we don't know what pressure he may experiencing from the war mongers). I realize that our membership in NATO obligates us to defend other NATO nations if attacked by non-NATO countries. Under the circumstances, if British troops (or NATO soldiers) engage with Russia in Ukraine and Russia strikes back in Britain (or other NATO countries), I believe that the US would have a legitimate excuse to not respond. No scenario can be ruled out at this point.
I'll see your Article 5 (means of common defence) clause and raise you article 6 (means Article 5 only applicable to aggressor attack in any NATO country homeland - NOT any pretend vassel country run by a certified asspipe) See how that works?
Sickening, weak excuses for men will grant Russia permission to make sovereign decisions for Ukraine. Only UKRAINE should make decisions for Ukraine. In the above quote, replace “Russia” with “Mexico” and replace “Ukraine” with “the United States”. Why would 𝙖𝙣𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 be retarded enough to permit Mexico to make America’s sovereign decisions??? Rolling over and handing Goliath David’s slingshot will be the greatest failure affiliated with Mr Trump.
Unlike the USA, Ukraine’s citizens value and respect their president. Sixty-four percent approval for Zelenskyy to our forty-something percent tolerance of Trump.
If as you say 65% of Ukrainians support Zelenskyy, then let’s put this into perspective: Zelenskyy was a comedian, he then played a role AS president in a sitcom, and THEN was dressed as a peacekeeping candidate for the actual presidency.
If the majority of the people voted for Zelenskyy, and now the majority back him , and he wants to continue the war until his dreamy demands are met, then you do you and quit crying for help. You’re (Zelenskyy) is doing what the people voted for, right?
As for those here in the USA, if you currently still stand with Ukraine, please enlist with the Zelenskyy military and truly show just how much you stand with them, shoulder to shoulder at the frontlines. But leave me and my family and the rest of us who are sick of this shit straight the fuck alone, want no part of this suicidal behavior.
Unlike Mr Trump and President Musk, because the American voters are screaming that we’ve been duped and we’re getting 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 of what we voted for and instead we’re being told our taxes are going up so Mr Trump can give his fellow billionaires the tax cuts he promised them.
If you change your mind and believe that you can find actual fault in anything I’ve said (rather than lobbing little boy insults), I’ll still be happy to hear this logic you’re so fond of running from.
Wouldn’t want to rob you of the opportunity for discovery, all on your own, actually. Nothing really truly does it like tuning out the world’s media and its poll numbers and nonsense for a bit and settling into your own research. Good luck 👍🏻
He doesn’t want the war to continue, and his demands are no different than any other decent leader would expect. He didn’t begin the war, and if America had been attacked as Ukraine had been, we wouldn’t be sissy little pansies letting Mexico (or whoever attacked us) keep Texas for instance.
Or maybe you as the hypothetical leader of America would do as weak Donald suggests, and just let our invader keep whatever American land they stole? Good for you if you’re as weak as Mr Trump. President Zelenskyy however is 𝗻𝗼𝘁 as weak as Mr Trump.
I’m happy you chose to try to insult me rather than try to point out anything I stated that wasn’t right; because you were given the perfect opportunity to prove me wrong and prove yourself right. Instead you abdicated the point and left me uncorrected.
You are welcome! Nothing makes me happier than seeing someone basking in their own overly deserved self-applause. You deserve it! Now don’t let that history bully you around with all of its details and facts, ok?
Why would Putin want West Ukraine? Putin does want eastern Ukriane that is Russian in language, culture and religion. ….which Ukraine was systematically erasing. The west Ukraine? Why?
Why is it certain that once the Brits start fighting the Russians the US will be involved. Ukraine is not part of NATO. Article 5 is specific to attacks on NATO countries. Brits in Ukraine mean nothing to us and will not trigger Article 5. I can see our President telling Sir Kear Starmer to pound sand. If Europe wants to go full on anti-Russia I say let them go alone.
Jack seems like a repeat record. WWi begat the League of Nations. WWII begat UN. WWIII will rise the NWO antichrist. Meanwhile I'm going to repeat my music and pray to God
Todd, Thank you for your service. I hope that Trump will break that cycle by treating with Russia and allowing Europe to go their own way. Ukraine was just an excuse to bait the bear. We were as guilty of it as anyone but we can change our ways. I hope we do.
Given Trump wants out of broken systems like UN and NATO, it seems we can be confident Trump will not jump into a NATO poking the bear trap.
Now we have to clean up the cells Biden let in, and prevent any False Flag ops.
Regardless, God Always wins. So Pray or be prey. And God Bless and Protect America. 🙏🙏🙏
Sadly perhaps the Revelations of bears in the Bible have not been headed ...or either they are making it this way to bring world disaster and usher in the nwo
The NATO, the deadliest terrorist organization on earth...If NATO had been disbanded after the end of the Cold War, millions of dead would still be alive today. That is the truth.
As Putin and Trump have a deal we can expect a different leader in Ukraine soon
Zelenskyy is really a piece of work, everything about Z is sleazy.
If Z is so popular then VOTE! That’s right they won’t allow voting.
Remove the USA from nato. Let the EU fight their own war. Find out fast Z only wants war. He has no use to the deep state in peace.
So. EU wants a global war with Russia. Any goals or reasons, beside hatred for Russia? Is this some collective need to suicide themselves. That’s all? That’s the total?
The globalists have a timeline to control the world. Russia and China are in the way.
Since Zelenski is a dictator, having banned elections, opposition parties and orthodox churches, option #1 seems unlikely. Since Friday where “we (US) are out” now. And UK-EU backs the Gotebully drug addict sock puppet Zelenski.
Also Trump made it clear your option #2 will not happen.
So either Zekenski is replaced, the minerals/energy deal Zelenski signed with the UK is revised to fit into Trump’s plan.
Or option #3. I predict when BritishGerman and French young men enter the meat grinder stalemate pointless war, they All come back to the table.
In the mean time, Phootin knows to leave us out of it. While we boost up to Counter China-Iran-Venezuela-Cartels. And remove Biden’s terrorist cells he let in to Gitmo.
Please pray for peace.
A single nuclear weapon can destroy a city and kill most of its people. Several nuclear explosions over modern cities would kill tens of millions of people. Casualties from a major nuclear war between the US and Russia would reach hundreds of millions.
https://www.icanw.org/catastrophic_harm
NATO was created to protect Europe and Great Britain from the Soviet Union (Communism) during the rebuilding of the nations after WWII. The Soviet Union is gone, rebuilding completed, NATO is outdated. The United States should have pulled out of NATO when the EU was formed.
The time to have stopped Russia was shortly after the 2014 de facto annexation of Crimea and before the closely subsequent invasion of the Donetsk region. Arguably, Russia had to stabilize the Sevastopol port - Russia's largest military warm-water port - during the color revolution 2 weeks after the Sochi Olympics or risk a siege in Crimea and direct attacks on support personnel of Russians in that area. Only a puppet Ukrainian previous administration had allowed Russia to continue occupying Ukraine's Sevastopol after the fall of the USSR but that vanished quickly, without warning, and without clarity what would come next in 2014.
It's gone on too long now for Russia to withdraw from the southeast of Ukraine - the only connection to Crimea before the Kersh bridge was built years later, itself a tenuous connection that has already been attacked by Ukraine. See current war map here: https://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.11679266819489;37.739980468749984&zoom=8
Unfortunately, there is no combination of rivers or mountains that would form a natural or defensible geographical new border between "new" Ukraine and an expanded Russia, i.e. the frontlines are indefensible and have been laid with over a million land mines instead, which, it's estimated will take decades to clear (I modeled a unique anti-mine drone, so I know something about landmines from that research: https://bit.ly/BAMdrone).
President Zelenskyy has suggested a buffer zone. I think he actually DOES have some negotiating power about that, but it'll have to be in Ukrainian territory and he's unwilling to consider that. It would be like the Korean DMZ, barely stable, heavily patrolled and extensively cleared and mined for the foreseeable future.
There might be an agreement for the U.S./Euro region to maintain the new "border" against future Russian incursion, but not NATO; a new peacekeeping force. Just agreeing on that, as well as the fate of Sevastopol, could take weeks or months, and time is not on Ukraine's since, as Trump has correctly, if unsympathetically, pointed out.
Life, and war, is deeply unfair. But we should not fall in love with lines on a map. dozens of countries have formed, broken up, reformed, since the world's largest nation-recognizing body - the U.N. - was formed. No one can defend the indefensible, but agreements over new realities are still possible.
Oi is there some evil lair somewhere where they plan all this? https://youtu.be/SW0Q0IQydAg?si=JnoV4BPwLzMBBMcc
Article 6 of NATO treaty says that member troops or equipment attacked in Ukraine would not invoke article 5. But they will provoke Russia to strike a member nation or false flag it.
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
What a trap for the US!
"The plan is for the UK to send soldiers to Ukraine, set them up to be shot by Russians or in a false flag attack, and then claim Article 5 of the NATO treaty requires the United States to send soldiers to bail them out."
Trump needs to take the US out of NATO. But will he?
The goal of the military-industrial complex, NATO, much of Europe is a war with Russia. The US military has planned for that war since the closing days of WWII, when the Soviet Union was our ally. However, our present President does not appear to be anxious for a war with Russia (of course, we don't know what pressure he may experiencing from the war mongers). I realize that our membership in NATO obligates us to defend other NATO nations if attacked by non-NATO countries. Under the circumstances, if British troops (or NATO soldiers) engage with Russia in Ukraine and Russia strikes back in Britain (or other NATO countries), I believe that the US would have a legitimate excuse to not respond. No scenario can be ruled out at this point.
I'll see your Article 5 (means of common defence) clause and raise you article 6 (means Article 5 only applicable to aggressor attack in any NATO country homeland - NOT any pretend vassel country run by a certified asspipe) See how that works?
“𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘺 “𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘭 𝘪𝘯 𝘜̶𝘬̶𝘳̶𝘢̶𝘪̶𝘯̶𝘦̶” 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵.
𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘙̶𝘶̶𝘴̶𝘴̶𝘪̶𝘢̶𝘯̶𝘴̶ 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘰 𝘌𝘶𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘯 𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘜̶𝘬̶𝘳̶𝘢̶𝘪̶𝘯̶𝘦̶.”
Sickening, weak excuses for men will grant Russia permission to make sovereign decisions for Ukraine. Only UKRAINE should make decisions for Ukraine. In the above quote, replace “Russia” with “Mexico” and replace “Ukraine” with “the United States”. Why would 𝙖𝙣𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 be retarded enough to permit Mexico to make America’s sovereign decisions??? Rolling over and handing Goliath David’s slingshot will be the greatest failure affiliated with Mr Trump.
Unlike the USA, Ukraine’s citizens value and respect their president. Sixty-four percent approval for Zelenskyy to our forty-something percent tolerance of Trump.
https://babylonbee.com/news/church-bylaws-state-all-sunday-school-classes-must-have-one-annoying-guy-who-constantly-starts-random-off-topic-arguments
I hope they pay you well, Dwight. Because you’re really good at the random off-topic drivel.
If as you say 65% of Ukrainians support Zelenskyy, then let’s put this into perspective: Zelenskyy was a comedian, he then played a role AS president in a sitcom, and THEN was dressed as a peacekeeping candidate for the actual presidency.
If the majority of the people voted for Zelenskyy, and now the majority back him , and he wants to continue the war until his dreamy demands are met, then you do you and quit crying for help. You’re (Zelenskyy) is doing what the people voted for, right?
As for those here in the USA, if you currently still stand with Ukraine, please enlist with the Zelenskyy military and truly show just how much you stand with them, shoulder to shoulder at the frontlines. But leave me and my family and the rest of us who are sick of this shit straight the fuck alone, want no part of this suicidal behavior.
“𝘠𝘰𝘶’𝘳𝘦 (𝘡𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘬𝘺𝘺) 𝘪𝘴 𝘥𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳, 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵?“
Unlike Mr Trump and President Musk, because the American voters are screaming that we’ve been duped and we’re getting 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 of what we voted for and instead we’re being told our taxes are going up so Mr Trump can give his fellow billionaires the tax cuts he promised them.
Yup, looks You’ve definitely mastered the art of staying one step ahead of sound judgment
Thanks for the lazy win, I guess 🤷♂️
If you change your mind and believe that you can find actual fault in anything I’ve said (rather than lobbing little boy insults), I’ll still be happy to hear this logic you’re so fond of running from.
Wouldn’t want to rob you of the opportunity for discovery, all on your own, actually. Nothing really truly does it like tuning out the world’s media and its poll numbers and nonsense for a bit and settling into your own research. Good luck 👍🏻
Ah this time I did halfway think you might’ve been able to try for yourself what you just suggested to the person who already did it.
I guess that faith I misplaced in you is where I 𝘸𝘢𝘴 finally wrong 😑
“𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘳 𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘭 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘮𝘺 𝘥𝘦𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘵”
Oh! So close until you made that one up!
He doesn’t want the war to continue, and his demands are no different than any other decent leader would expect. He didn’t begin the war, and if America had been attacked as Ukraine had been, we wouldn’t be sissy little pansies letting Mexico (or whoever attacked us) keep Texas for instance.
Or maybe you as the hypothetical leader of America would do as weak Donald suggests, and just let our invader keep whatever American land they stole? Good for you if you’re as weak as Mr Trump. President Zelenskyy however is 𝗻𝗼𝘁 as weak as Mr Trump.
Oh you pulled a fast one on me huh? I bet wisdom had always tried to catch up with you, but somehow you always outpaced it 😉
I’m happy you chose to try to insult me rather than try to point out anything I stated that wasn’t right; because you were given the perfect opportunity to prove me wrong and prove yourself right. Instead you abdicated the point and left me uncorrected.
Thanks for that.
You are welcome! Nothing makes me happier than seeing someone basking in their own overly deserved self-applause. You deserve it! Now don’t let that history bully you around with all of its details and facts, ok?
Why would Putin want West Ukraine? Putin does want eastern Ukriane that is Russian in language, culture and religion. ….which Ukraine was systematically erasing. The west Ukraine? Why?
🤦🏻♂️
Lol