It is not a leap to ascribe the heart attack of Ishmael's Turkish Member of Parliament seen on this Michael Snyder Substack as warned by the Prophet Malachi:
"This is a divine revelation. The Lord spoke His word to Israel through Malachi: “Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “I loved Jacob, but Esau I hated.
I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert. “The descendants of Esau may say, ‘We have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.’
“Yet, this is what the Lord of Hosts says: They may rebuild, but I will tear it down. They will be called ‘the Wicked Land’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is always angry.’ You will see these things with your own eyes and say, ‘Even outside the borders of Israel the Lord is great.’
OH, wow. Literally, as the last word came out of his mouth, he started to lose it. Looks like a stroke or heart attack.
Read Romans 9-11. Especially ch 11. Paul has a prophecy about God turning His heart and Spirit to Israel again where the remnant 144,000 rise up in their own root or branch not the gentile branch or root. The power of the Gospel comes back to where it all started Jerusalem! It's fitting for that is where the Lord comes when He returns with Us with Him in our glorified state.
Is this a warning to the radical Arab world backed by Iran Syria Russia and China who want Israel destroyed?
Israel will be preserved for God's purposes and His timing not man's.
OR maybe God will wipe "Israel" off the planet and all of you "believers" in this nonsense will be going WHAT JUST HAPPENED???? You read the Bible, right? How do you deal with Revelation 3 vs 9? Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Reminds me of when that George Floyd mural got hit by lightening. Or when that comedian was bragging that Jesus loved her because she as all vaccinated and didn't have any issues... oops.
I'm not surprised by your answer, it's what I anticipated. You mention the DOI, even the Declaration of Independence says there is a God. The document was drafted by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Roger Sherman, and Robert Livingston. Jefferson actually wrote the final document. All of them wrote that the Bible was a good moral foundation for a culture and this Nation. Jefferson called the Bible the finest book on morality and human nature he ever read. He called the Bible the finest moral code of all religions. You should read it, because it tells you how to live and make a good society. The fact is that we have walked away from that is the root of all our problems.
What was he talking about, what was that moral code? The Ten Commandments!
Coming out of the Christian Identity Movement, makes a lot of sense to me for where you are today. I know exactly what your talking about and as you have stated, shows how that effected you. I have known several people who have come out of the Christian Identity background and ended up exactly where you are today.
Doing no physical harm, means doing no harm? Look at all the people who have suffered mental and emotional abuse, and that's OK with you? My father never physically abused my mother but his mental, physiological and emotional abuse and manipulation caused her to attempt suicide. Drove her to despair and hopeless where she wanted to end her life. She said so in her suicide note. And that's OK with you. Do you understand what you have just confessed to in front of everyone here? All you express is anger , bitterness, rage and victim-hood.
I really do feel sorry for you because you can't connect the physical with the non-physical aspects of human life. Those non physical aspects of human life is what makes truly human. Your in so much pain you can't even go there, just the physical.
I hated my father for what he did to my mom, (he was truly a monster) I almost came to the point of killing him, I came within a hog's breath from doing so. All my brothers and sister hated my dad as well.
In time I forgave my father, we healed our relationships. I'm at total peace about the past and my dad tried to heal the relationships with the family. all good stuff.
I agree with you about the Govt. there you are spot on. The only difference is no matter what has happened and what will happen I'm at peace and can deal with all these things that are very negative and bad and not get angry bitter, or resentful. Because I have somehting more than the here and now somehting more than just the physical. This is why you are so angry, because this (the here and now) is all you have.
First, this shows most of the Arab world does not care for Hamas. They put them up to do this and then knowing what Israel would do, has not lifted a finger to help. Even Hamas has been angered by the lack of help by other Iran proxies. The Arabs and Iran are using Gaza as a sacrificial lamb for a bigger agenda. Plus this gives Iran a real feel for what Israel's military capabilities are and create an opportunity for the world to turn against Israel and give Iran more moral and global justification with more action in Lebanon. Yes more war is to come, and no matter who is president we will be in that war, this is really where WW III starts (Just today North Korea Abandons Armistice- getting ready for war). Here it comes!
It does seem Israel's view of a two state solution is not the Arabs view of a two state solution. The Arabs want a pre-67 war line, where all of Jerusalem will be totally in Palestine and the Jews have said no. (That is why Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem, and wants Israel's capital there as well).
Israel has proposed a small section of Jerusalem in the south east area be their capital but the Arabs have flat out rejected that as well. We seem to be at an impasse.
Notice one small little city is dividing a nation and the Nations. Why is this city so important? HUMM?
Does Daniel11 tell us how this will be resolved?
vs 36, Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. (Is this the beast of Rev 13 and the Abomination of Desolation that brings rebellion and Armageddon)?
in vs 39 it says in part... he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price. Does this mean what we would understand as a two state inclusive solution?
Will it take this boastful king to subdue all the nations and bring world peace even divide "the land"?
Really? Israel is a nation that that is only 75 years old. They have won 3 major wars against multiple Arab nations and have been involved in 16 total military operations and they are still here. If you knew the history of the War for Independence, the 67 war (6 day war-who wins a war in 6 days?) and the 1972 war, you have a tiny Nation about the size of NJ in population and area, defeat up to 5 enemy nations at a time, and now a Turkish minister has a heart attack after lambasting Israel.
WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? And I don't have to wait or hope for a what just happened moment. It seems like you might be jealous, you want your just what happened moment.
C L you reference of scripture to prove your point, but you say there is no God???? Wow talk about hypocrisy. You quote someone you say does not exist, whose words are not true thus you have no argument. Plus you also show your total ignorance of scripture.
God via Abram to his grandson Jacob starts the 12 tribes of Israel. Whom God selected to be His people to reveal the redemption of the world and the truth about God and man the Gospel and Christ.
Israel is like the rest of the world rebellious and God justly tears down two temples and kicks Israel out of the land he gave them for those reasons. This shows how incredibly just God is. Even to His own people.
But God being faithful to His promise of grace and mercy to mankind, He would bring them back to the land and where Jesus and the Gospel started as prophesied (over 100 separate prophesies Jesus fulfilled). But they would come back in unbelief. God is faithful even when men are not.
Jesus cursed Israel for not accepting Him as Messiah, that they would end up embracing the false substitute Messiah, the Anti Christ. At the same time as Paul prophesied the power of the Gospel would return to Israel via the Holy Spirit and that has started in the last 12 years 1,000s of Jews are coming to Christ yearly via a totally Jewish church not Gentile. True Israel is not by flesh but by Spirit, not outward circumcision but the circumcision of the heart. There is a remnant in Israel of believers and a remnant of gentile believers, everyone else including unbelieving Jews (most of them) will be Judged along with everyone else for sin. The outward nation of Israel was selected by God to reveal Himself through time.
He revealed Himself there 2000 years ago via His Son the Christ, he will send a great deception to the world via the false messiah in Israel (His chosen people for this as well) and He will return to establish His kingdom in Israel, His chosen place to rule.
Even God's throne will be called the throne of King David, Who committed adultery, murder and covered it up, but yet confessed His sins and was restored. Again all point to God's total justice and a hope of mercy only found in Christ on the cross the only acceptable sacrifice for sin because God is totally just. We cant meet that standard, but Christ can for us. This is the purpose for God selecting Israel, it was God's choice alone, to reveal Himself, it did not come with a guarantee they all go to heaven. Job said if I complain to God He will judge and condemn me but He is also my salvation, Job 13:14-16
So you condemn what God is doing in Israel and quoting His own words to prove your point also condemn yourself as well.
So we're to believe that "god" struck this guy down, while simultaneously allowing a modern day version of the razing of Caanan by the Israel of the bible with thousands of children murdered. Nice God, I would surely like him on my side. SERIOUSLY? You people are like little kids on Christmas who believe in Santa Claus. BTW...maybe "god" is really stupid because MODERN ISRAEL is in no way the same as the Israel of the bible. Do some homework. Start with the book The Thirteenth Tribe by the JEWISH historian Arthur Koestler.
I agree with you. A god who allows the outright murder of thousands of innocent women and children by incessant bombing ‘because Hamas terrorists’ is no god I want to be associated with. And how any supposedly Christian person, including the author of this Substack, can condone that is beyond me.
It's called cognitive dissonance. Where a person, to keep from going insane will hold two opposing views in their mind and believe both as truth. OBVIOUSLY murder of ANYONE is wrong. BUT...Israeli's can do no evil because they are "God's Chosen". Gag me with a place setting.
It is arrogant and self-righteous to look at others sin (Israel) and God lets them get away with it and say there is no God.
And you have no sin in your life? Have you lied, cheated, stole, committed adultery-fornication, or hated someone? So if God is unjust to allow the horrific events on both sides (your not talking about what Hamas did just Israel) is He not unjust for allowing you yourselves to live as well? Are you perfect sin free, who are you to cast the first stone? By doing so you condemn yourselves, for you are setting yourselves up as God to judge the world as though you are God. What hypocrisy!
Define "sin". And don't try using the Bible to do so. Do so from your own understanding of natural law. To me sin is simple. If you DO NO HARM you aren't sinning. According to the Bible if I violate any of the first four commandments I've sinned. Well, have the damaged party come to court to defend the position. Lying is fine in many cases. So where is the sin? Cheating? In what way? Say I "cheated" on my taxes. Would I be sinning or would I be keeping what is rightfully mine and those who think that I owe them are the cheaters. Stole? There would be a victim. What is "fornication" in your mind? Masturbation? Who is damaged by that? Do you really know what adultery is? Probably not. How is "hating someone" a sin? Should I love someone who murders a loved one? I suggest you take a closer look at the book you swear by for a list and get it straight. And I don't think I said ANYWHERE that there is no god. But I will say this...he/she/it/whatever seems to have gone on a LONG vacation since PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITICAL TYRANTS have been ruling the world FOREVER. My take: http://deism.com
Define sin? Well lets really define who you are and what you believe first, i. e how you define sin.
So lets start by playing by your rules, no Bible, lets use your own standard, (do no harm to anyone) OK, that is your golden rule, I get that! Great point to start. So what happens when you violate your own golden rule, is that sin and if so what are the consequences you put on yourself of those violations? Where is the justice you apply to yourself for those violations?
So in all your life, (the decades you have lived), you have never, ever done any harm to anyone, emotionally, physically, psychologically, mentally or to anyone's property or possessions, defamed slandered or done nothing to hurt someone's feelings or alienated anyone and never hated someone? You have totally 100% respected others and treated everyone equally (do no harm to others)?
Everything we all do (including me) outwardly are effected by our inner emotions feelings inner thoughts and attitudes. Example, everyone is biased (you just exposed that here by asking me to write by rules you did not apply to yourself, i.e. using the Bible, that's bias. You want to control the argument you want the argument to be by your rules, not the Bible.
Who gave you that power over me? Who gave you that authority to tell me how I can discuss things with you?
Have you not yourself displayed the exact thing you accuse the world of as being, PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITICAL TYRANTS have been ruling the world FOREVER.
Thus you condemn yourself by your own words and standards, you fail your own test.
You just admitted to sinning by cheating on your taxes but you justify this because others do it. And you wonder why our society is going to the dogs. I've been a cop for 25 years, I've heard that excuse all the time. But guess what, when you go to court, your still found guilty, it's not a defense for anyone, anywhere, here or in heaven/eternity.
Fornication and adultery destroy marriages (a bond between two people). The two reasons 99% of all marriages fail is due to sexual issues (infidelity-Pornography masturbation turns sex into a tool for self gratification, a huge issue in marriage today ,(I don't get what I want I go someplace else), and money issues. (Greed) the lust for power, control and wealth, is what has corrupted our culture, society, govt and family our own lives/marriages (It's all about who has the power and control). This affects everyone. If I hate someone, I may not go and beat that person up, but it will effect my relationship with that person. To say your immune to that is a failure to be able to really look at yourself and see yourself as you really are. Sin? Look in the mirror.
Look CL by your last line, you are clearly bitter about about people trying to control your life, I get that. That is an accurate diagnosis of what is wrong with the world, you are spot on there. But you just demonstrated that you do the same thing by trying to control how I deal with you.
You hate the idea of God because you have been hurt by people who have controlled or tried to control your life. You want to be left alone to live as you want, you want to be the master of your own life and live by your one rule, do no harm to anyone. But by your own admission you even failed your own standards. Just look at your posts here. You say do no harm to anyone, how does that match with your derogatory posts against Christians here. If you lived by your rule you would not even bee here? But your not.
Your are deeply bitter and angry toward Christianity and God and have a deep desire to be here and vent that anger, it gives you a sense of power and control and freedom.
But we have a world of 8 billion people trying to do the same thing and failing. That is why the world is messed up. Without out Christ we (including me) are all part of that same problem you complain about.
That is why the world, we all, you and me, need a loving and merciful and forgiving God who is restraining judgement to give time for people to repent and realize, it's impossible for all of to do no harm to others. Those violations have consequences here and in eternity. Christ came to the cross to pay for those consequences, He dies in our place and holding back judgement because it is God's desire for all men to come to repentance and be forgiven.
Wow. You sure know how to read peoples minds and put words into their posts. Where did I say I cheated on taxes? I've paid everything that I've ever supposedly owed that was forced out of me. By asking you to define what sin is according to your standards I'm trying to control you? Who decides what a "derogatory" post is? When I say harm no one, I'm talking about PHYSICAL harm, not so called emotional harm where some dumb ass says that I should give up my self defense weapon just because it will make them feel better.
And as for you trying to psychoanalyze me...nice try. You fail. "Look CL by your last line, you are clearly bitter about about people trying to control your life, I get that. That is an accurate diagnosis of what is wrong with the world, you are spot on there. But you just demonstrated that you do the same thing by trying to control how I deal with you." WOW! So I was trying to control how you deal with me...here is how I'll deal with you. First off, you're arrogant. Second off you think you can read peoples minds which you cant. Third off you're hung up on a fairy tale book that is full of insanity and contradictions and you can't see them for what they are. You did get one thing right for sure. I WANT THE people who make up what most people call "the government" to just leave me the FUCK alone unless I am out there robbing, raping and pillaging. I suggest you read the Declaration of Independence for a proper understanding of what government is SUPPOSED to be involved with. So here is what we do...I thank you for your effort to proselytize me into your "revealed" religion. Which btw I was a strong adherent to for 30 years of my life as a Christian Identity believer. But so much made no sense. So much went against my reason, logic and common sense and here you sit writing to me using the same BS trying to sway me into your way of thinking by basically attacking me.
As a "police officer" how many people did you CAGE for non violent activity. I think, here I am reading your mind, that you became a "Christian" to cover up your guilty conscience.
Really..."Christ came to the cross to pay for those consequences," Since when in the real world does ANYONE hold someone else liable for the actions of others? And yet you "believe" that a "loving god" sent his son (who was really him, God) to die to cover my sins. That sounds a bit like something someone in a padded room somewhere would believe.
Hmmmm...that's an interesting statement coming from someone who must believe that the "God" of the bible that impregnated Mary, who by all records would have been 13 years old by the "holy spirit" to birth Jesus was a great god. And that the god of the bible would kill all of the first born of Egypt if they didn't have the blood of the lamb painted on the lentil of their doors. Or that would allow some children to be killed by a bear because they made fun of Elijah's bald head. Shall I go on?
Where are you getting this that Mary was 13 years old when Jesus was conceived? She already had a husband; I don't think ancient Hebrews got married at 13 years old. And what about the firstborn of Egypt? They had treated the Israelites unfairly for a long time, and didn't agree to let them go. So God punished them. You have to remember, at this point in time God wasn't God for everyone, but the God of Israel. I think you're not taking this into account. Only after Jesus came does God become God for all. As for the 42 children killed by the 2 bears, I guess that is meant as a lesson; don't mock the prophets. There might be even more of a meaning behind all that, going by the number of the children.
What do you think about the Book of Revelation, by the way? Can you find a correlation between the "mark of the beast" and the upcoming microchip they are going to try and make everyone take? Or the false messiah, that guy is going to show up soon too, what do you think? Also if you're interested (though you seem to be very anti-christian) go and read Revelation 12 and google "September 23. 2017 Revelation 12 sign" and see what you think about that. Also the solar eclipses from 2017,2023 and the upcoming in 2024 over America make out a cross over it, and also the Hebrew letters aleph & tav, which are the first and the last letters in the Hebrew alphabet. God says He is the "first and the last". There's a sign for you too! Also, this years solar eclipse happened when the sun and the moon were in the constellation Virgo (the Virgin), and because the eclipse was not complete, it looked like a ring. So a ring in the hand of the Virgin. God is sending us signs, Jesus is coming back soon. But I doubt you will believe me. You'll see when it happens, either way.
Wow! Now isn't that a great "Christian" response! Are you projecting on your last line? PS...isn't Jesus "god" according to your doctrine? And isn't he the one supposedly in Revelation with blood up to the horses bridal. Which BTW is IMPOSSIBLE.
Jesus is God, too. And no, He's not the one with "blood up to the horses bridles", that passage refers to the wrath of God being poured out in a very symbolic way, as the Book of Revelation mostly does. What Snap Factor said is correct also, the Old Law isn't in effect any more. We should live like Jesus showed us. But there are still many things in the Old Testament that we could take example from, others maybe not so. Those were different times.
"What Snap Factor said is correct also, " What? That I should try to get my head out of my ass? LOL! You people are SOOOOO delusional. It's almost like a type of insanity. Believe me, I'm not anti Christian. I'm anti HYPOCRITE "Christian". I've got a very well worn cross referenced bible that I read and "believed" for many years. The problem I ran into was the many CONTRADICTIONS and out right craziness in those pages. Reason, logic and common sense cannot be replaced by blind faith. And whoever put it together with the verses made a grave error because so many take the verses TOTALLY out of context. Jesus is not GOD. Try checking this out and see what you think. http://deism.com
No, I said that in relation to " the Old Law isn't in effect any more". You sound hysterical. And yes, Jesus is God too. It's not the Bible that sounds crazy, it's you. Can you point out the contradictions you're talking about? And how is it the fault of the one who put the verses together if someone else takes them out of context? It's you who's not making any sense here, not the Bible.
"It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."
Hebrews 10:31
It is not a leap to ascribe the heart attack of Ishmael's Turkish Member of Parliament seen on this Michael Snyder Substack as warned by the Prophet Malachi:
"This is a divine revelation. The Lord spoke His word to Israel through Malachi: “Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “I loved Jacob, but Esau I hated.
I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert. “The descendants of Esau may say, ‘We have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.’
“Yet, this is what the Lord of Hosts says: They may rebuild, but I will tear it down. They will be called ‘the Wicked Land’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is always angry.’ You will see these things with your own eyes and say, ‘Even outside the borders of Israel the Lord is great.’
Yhwh God warned about cursing Israel. He wasn't just whistling Dixie!
OH, wow. Literally, as the last word came out of his mouth, he started to lose it. Looks like a stroke or heart attack.
Read Romans 9-11. Especially ch 11. Paul has a prophecy about God turning His heart and Spirit to Israel again where the remnant 144,000 rise up in their own root or branch not the gentile branch or root. The power of the Gospel comes back to where it all started Jerusalem! It's fitting for that is where the Lord comes when He returns with Us with Him in our glorified state.
Is this a warning to the radical Arab world backed by Iran Syria Russia and China who want Israel destroyed?
Israel will be preserved for God's purposes and His timing not man's.
OR maybe God will wipe "Israel" off the planet and all of you "believers" in this nonsense will be going WHAT JUST HAPPENED???? You read the Bible, right? How do you deal with Revelation 3 vs 9? Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Oops...
Reminds me of when that George Floyd mural got hit by lightening. Or when that comedian was bragging that Jesus loved her because she as all vaccinated and didn't have any issues... oops.
I'm not surprised by your answer, it's what I anticipated. You mention the DOI, even the Declaration of Independence says there is a God. The document was drafted by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Roger Sherman, and Robert Livingston. Jefferson actually wrote the final document. All of them wrote that the Bible was a good moral foundation for a culture and this Nation. Jefferson called the Bible the finest book on morality and human nature he ever read. He called the Bible the finest moral code of all religions. You should read it, because it tells you how to live and make a good society. The fact is that we have walked away from that is the root of all our problems.
What was he talking about, what was that moral code? The Ten Commandments!
Coming out of the Christian Identity Movement, makes a lot of sense to me for where you are today. I know exactly what your talking about and as you have stated, shows how that effected you. I have known several people who have come out of the Christian Identity background and ended up exactly where you are today.
Doing no physical harm, means doing no harm? Look at all the people who have suffered mental and emotional abuse, and that's OK with you? My father never physically abused my mother but his mental, physiological and emotional abuse and manipulation caused her to attempt suicide. Drove her to despair and hopeless where she wanted to end her life. She said so in her suicide note. And that's OK with you. Do you understand what you have just confessed to in front of everyone here? All you express is anger , bitterness, rage and victim-hood.
I really do feel sorry for you because you can't connect the physical with the non-physical aspects of human life. Those non physical aspects of human life is what makes truly human. Your in so much pain you can't even go there, just the physical.
I hated my father for what he did to my mom, (he was truly a monster) I almost came to the point of killing him, I came within a hog's breath from doing so. All my brothers and sister hated my dad as well.
In time I forgave my father, we healed our relationships. I'm at total peace about the past and my dad tried to heal the relationships with the family. all good stuff.
I agree with you about the Govt. there you are spot on. The only difference is no matter what has happened and what will happen I'm at peace and can deal with all these things that are very negative and bad and not get angry bitter, or resentful. Because I have somehting more than the here and now somehting more than just the physical. This is why you are so angry, because this (the here and now) is all you have.
First, this shows most of the Arab world does not care for Hamas. They put them up to do this and then knowing what Israel would do, has not lifted a finger to help. Even Hamas has been angered by the lack of help by other Iran proxies. The Arabs and Iran are using Gaza as a sacrificial lamb for a bigger agenda. Plus this gives Iran a real feel for what Israel's military capabilities are and create an opportunity for the world to turn against Israel and give Iran more moral and global justification with more action in Lebanon. Yes more war is to come, and no matter who is president we will be in that war, this is really where WW III starts (Just today North Korea Abandons Armistice- getting ready for war). Here it comes!
It does seem Israel's view of a two state solution is not the Arabs view of a two state solution. The Arabs want a pre-67 war line, where all of Jerusalem will be totally in Palestine and the Jews have said no. (That is why Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem, and wants Israel's capital there as well).
Israel has proposed a small section of Jerusalem in the south east area be their capital but the Arabs have flat out rejected that as well. We seem to be at an impasse.
Notice one small little city is dividing a nation and the Nations. Why is this city so important? HUMM?
Does Daniel11 tell us how this will be resolved?
vs 36, Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. (Is this the beast of Rev 13 and the Abomination of Desolation that brings rebellion and Armageddon)?
in vs 39 it says in part... he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price. Does this mean what we would understand as a two state inclusive solution?
Will it take this boastful king to subdue all the nations and bring world peace even divide "the land"?
We shall see.
Really? Israel is a nation that that is only 75 years old. They have won 3 major wars against multiple Arab nations and have been involved in 16 total military operations and they are still here. If you knew the history of the War for Independence, the 67 war (6 day war-who wins a war in 6 days?) and the 1972 war, you have a tiny Nation about the size of NJ in population and area, defeat up to 5 enemy nations at a time, and now a Turkish minister has a heart attack after lambasting Israel.
WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? And I don't have to wait or hope for a what just happened moment. It seems like you might be jealous, you want your just what happened moment.
C L you reference of scripture to prove your point, but you say there is no God???? Wow talk about hypocrisy. You quote someone you say does not exist, whose words are not true thus you have no argument. Plus you also show your total ignorance of scripture.
God via Abram to his grandson Jacob starts the 12 tribes of Israel. Whom God selected to be His people to reveal the redemption of the world and the truth about God and man the Gospel and Christ.
Israel is like the rest of the world rebellious and God justly tears down two temples and kicks Israel out of the land he gave them for those reasons. This shows how incredibly just God is. Even to His own people.
But God being faithful to His promise of grace and mercy to mankind, He would bring them back to the land and where Jesus and the Gospel started as prophesied (over 100 separate prophesies Jesus fulfilled). But they would come back in unbelief. God is faithful even when men are not.
Jesus cursed Israel for not accepting Him as Messiah, that they would end up embracing the false substitute Messiah, the Anti Christ. At the same time as Paul prophesied the power of the Gospel would return to Israel via the Holy Spirit and that has started in the last 12 years 1,000s of Jews are coming to Christ yearly via a totally Jewish church not Gentile. True Israel is not by flesh but by Spirit, not outward circumcision but the circumcision of the heart. There is a remnant in Israel of believers and a remnant of gentile believers, everyone else including unbelieving Jews (most of them) will be Judged along with everyone else for sin. The outward nation of Israel was selected by God to reveal Himself through time.
He revealed Himself there 2000 years ago via His Son the Christ, he will send a great deception to the world via the false messiah in Israel (His chosen people for this as well) and He will return to establish His kingdom in Israel, His chosen place to rule.
Even God's throne will be called the throne of King David, Who committed adultery, murder and covered it up, but yet confessed His sins and was restored. Again all point to God's total justice and a hope of mercy only found in Christ on the cross the only acceptable sacrifice for sin because God is totally just. We cant meet that standard, but Christ can for us. This is the purpose for God selecting Israel, it was God's choice alone, to reveal Himself, it did not come with a guarantee they all go to heaven. Job said if I complain to God He will judge and condemn me but He is also my salvation, Job 13:14-16
So you condemn what God is doing in Israel and quoting His own words to prove your point also condemn yourself as well.
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So we're to believe that "god" struck this guy down, while simultaneously allowing a modern day version of the razing of Caanan by the Israel of the bible with thousands of children murdered. Nice God, I would surely like him on my side. SERIOUSLY? You people are like little kids on Christmas who believe in Santa Claus. BTW...maybe "god" is really stupid because MODERN ISRAEL is in no way the same as the Israel of the bible. Do some homework. Start with the book The Thirteenth Tribe by the JEWISH historian Arthur Koestler.
I agree with you. A god who allows the outright murder of thousands of innocent women and children by incessant bombing ‘because Hamas terrorists’ is no god I want to be associated with. And how any supposedly Christian person, including the author of this Substack, can condone that is beyond me.
It's called cognitive dissonance. Where a person, to keep from going insane will hold two opposing views in their mind and believe both as truth. OBVIOUSLY murder of ANYONE is wrong. BUT...Israeli's can do no evil because they are "God's Chosen". Gag me with a place setting.
It is arrogant and self-righteous to look at others sin (Israel) and God lets them get away with it and say there is no God.
And you have no sin in your life? Have you lied, cheated, stole, committed adultery-fornication, or hated someone? So if God is unjust to allow the horrific events on both sides (your not talking about what Hamas did just Israel) is He not unjust for allowing you yourselves to live as well? Are you perfect sin free, who are you to cast the first stone? By doing so you condemn yourselves, for you are setting yourselves up as God to judge the world as though you are God. What hypocrisy!
Define "sin". And don't try using the Bible to do so. Do so from your own understanding of natural law. To me sin is simple. If you DO NO HARM you aren't sinning. According to the Bible if I violate any of the first four commandments I've sinned. Well, have the damaged party come to court to defend the position. Lying is fine in many cases. So where is the sin? Cheating? In what way? Say I "cheated" on my taxes. Would I be sinning or would I be keeping what is rightfully mine and those who think that I owe them are the cheaters. Stole? There would be a victim. What is "fornication" in your mind? Masturbation? Who is damaged by that? Do you really know what adultery is? Probably not. How is "hating someone" a sin? Should I love someone who murders a loved one? I suggest you take a closer look at the book you swear by for a list and get it straight. And I don't think I said ANYWHERE that there is no god. But I will say this...he/she/it/whatever seems to have gone on a LONG vacation since PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITICAL TYRANTS have been ruling the world FOREVER. My take: http://deism.com
Define sin? Well lets really define who you are and what you believe first, i. e how you define sin.
So lets start by playing by your rules, no Bible, lets use your own standard, (do no harm to anyone) OK, that is your golden rule, I get that! Great point to start. So what happens when you violate your own golden rule, is that sin and if so what are the consequences you put on yourself of those violations? Where is the justice you apply to yourself for those violations?
So in all your life, (the decades you have lived), you have never, ever done any harm to anyone, emotionally, physically, psychologically, mentally or to anyone's property or possessions, defamed slandered or done nothing to hurt someone's feelings or alienated anyone and never hated someone? You have totally 100% respected others and treated everyone equally (do no harm to others)?
Everything we all do (including me) outwardly are effected by our inner emotions feelings inner thoughts and attitudes. Example, everyone is biased (you just exposed that here by asking me to write by rules you did not apply to yourself, i.e. using the Bible, that's bias. You want to control the argument you want the argument to be by your rules, not the Bible.
Who gave you that power over me? Who gave you that authority to tell me how I can discuss things with you?
Have you not yourself displayed the exact thing you accuse the world of as being, PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITICAL TYRANTS have been ruling the world FOREVER.
Thus you condemn yourself by your own words and standards, you fail your own test.
You just admitted to sinning by cheating on your taxes but you justify this because others do it. And you wonder why our society is going to the dogs. I've been a cop for 25 years, I've heard that excuse all the time. But guess what, when you go to court, your still found guilty, it's not a defense for anyone, anywhere, here or in heaven/eternity.
Fornication and adultery destroy marriages (a bond between two people). The two reasons 99% of all marriages fail is due to sexual issues (infidelity-Pornography masturbation turns sex into a tool for self gratification, a huge issue in marriage today ,(I don't get what I want I go someplace else), and money issues. (Greed) the lust for power, control and wealth, is what has corrupted our culture, society, govt and family our own lives/marriages (It's all about who has the power and control). This affects everyone. If I hate someone, I may not go and beat that person up, but it will effect my relationship with that person. To say your immune to that is a failure to be able to really look at yourself and see yourself as you really are. Sin? Look in the mirror.
Look CL by your last line, you are clearly bitter about about people trying to control your life, I get that. That is an accurate diagnosis of what is wrong with the world, you are spot on there. But you just demonstrated that you do the same thing by trying to control how I deal with you.
You hate the idea of God because you have been hurt by people who have controlled or tried to control your life. You want to be left alone to live as you want, you want to be the master of your own life and live by your one rule, do no harm to anyone. But by your own admission you even failed your own standards. Just look at your posts here. You say do no harm to anyone, how does that match with your derogatory posts against Christians here. If you lived by your rule you would not even bee here? But your not.
Your are deeply bitter and angry toward Christianity and God and have a deep desire to be here and vent that anger, it gives you a sense of power and control and freedom.
But we have a world of 8 billion people trying to do the same thing and failing. That is why the world is messed up. Without out Christ we (including me) are all part of that same problem you complain about.
That is why the world, we all, you and me, need a loving and merciful and forgiving God who is restraining judgement to give time for people to repent and realize, it's impossible for all of to do no harm to others. Those violations have consequences here and in eternity. Christ came to the cross to pay for those consequences, He dies in our place and holding back judgement because it is God's desire for all men to come to repentance and be forgiven.
Wow. You sure know how to read peoples minds and put words into their posts. Where did I say I cheated on taxes? I've paid everything that I've ever supposedly owed that was forced out of me. By asking you to define what sin is according to your standards I'm trying to control you? Who decides what a "derogatory" post is? When I say harm no one, I'm talking about PHYSICAL harm, not so called emotional harm where some dumb ass says that I should give up my self defense weapon just because it will make them feel better.
And as for you trying to psychoanalyze me...nice try. You fail. "Look CL by your last line, you are clearly bitter about about people trying to control your life, I get that. That is an accurate diagnosis of what is wrong with the world, you are spot on there. But you just demonstrated that you do the same thing by trying to control how I deal with you." WOW! So I was trying to control how you deal with me...here is how I'll deal with you. First off, you're arrogant. Second off you think you can read peoples minds which you cant. Third off you're hung up on a fairy tale book that is full of insanity and contradictions and you can't see them for what they are. You did get one thing right for sure. I WANT THE people who make up what most people call "the government" to just leave me the FUCK alone unless I am out there robbing, raping and pillaging. I suggest you read the Declaration of Independence for a proper understanding of what government is SUPPOSED to be involved with. So here is what we do...I thank you for your effort to proselytize me into your "revealed" religion. Which btw I was a strong adherent to for 30 years of my life as a Christian Identity believer. But so much made no sense. So much went against my reason, logic and common sense and here you sit writing to me using the same BS trying to sway me into your way of thinking by basically attacking me.
As a "police officer" how many people did you CAGE for non violent activity. I think, here I am reading your mind, that you became a "Christian" to cover up your guilty conscience.
Really..."Christ came to the cross to pay for those consequences," Since when in the real world does ANYONE hold someone else liable for the actions of others? And yet you "believe" that a "loving god" sent his son (who was really him, God) to die to cover my sins. That sounds a bit like something someone in a padded room somewhere would believe.
I'm done "debating" with you.
Allah is Satan, you're talking about Muhammed.
Hmmmm...that's an interesting statement coming from someone who must believe that the "God" of the bible that impregnated Mary, who by all records would have been 13 years old by the "holy spirit" to birth Jesus was a great god. And that the god of the bible would kill all of the first born of Egypt if they didn't have the blood of the lamb painted on the lentil of their doors. Or that would allow some children to be killed by a bear because they made fun of Elijah's bald head. Shall I go on?
Where are you getting this that Mary was 13 years old when Jesus was conceived? She already had a husband; I don't think ancient Hebrews got married at 13 years old. And what about the firstborn of Egypt? They had treated the Israelites unfairly for a long time, and didn't agree to let them go. So God punished them. You have to remember, at this point in time God wasn't God for everyone, but the God of Israel. I think you're not taking this into account. Only after Jesus came does God become God for all. As for the 42 children killed by the 2 bears, I guess that is meant as a lesson; don't mock the prophets. There might be even more of a meaning behind all that, going by the number of the children.
What do you think about the Book of Revelation, by the way? Can you find a correlation between the "mark of the beast" and the upcoming microchip they are going to try and make everyone take? Or the false messiah, that guy is going to show up soon too, what do you think? Also if you're interested (though you seem to be very anti-christian) go and read Revelation 12 and google "September 23. 2017 Revelation 12 sign" and see what you think about that. Also the solar eclipses from 2017,2023 and the upcoming in 2024 over America make out a cross over it, and also the Hebrew letters aleph & tav, which are the first and the last letters in the Hebrew alphabet. God says He is the "first and the last". There's a sign for you too! Also, this years solar eclipse happened when the sun and the moon were in the constellation Virgo (the Virgin), and because the eclipse was not complete, it looked like a ring. So a ring in the hand of the Virgin. God is sending us signs, Jesus is coming back soon. But I doubt you will believe me. You'll see when it happens, either way.
Wow! Now isn't that a great "Christian" response! Are you projecting on your last line? PS...isn't Jesus "god" according to your doctrine? And isn't he the one supposedly in Revelation with blood up to the horses bridal. Which BTW is IMPOSSIBLE.
Jesus is God, too. And no, He's not the one with "blood up to the horses bridles", that passage refers to the wrath of God being poured out in a very symbolic way, as the Book of Revelation mostly does. What Snap Factor said is correct also, the Old Law isn't in effect any more. We should live like Jesus showed us. But there are still many things in the Old Testament that we could take example from, others maybe not so. Those were different times.
"What Snap Factor said is correct also, " What? That I should try to get my head out of my ass? LOL! You people are SOOOOO delusional. It's almost like a type of insanity. Believe me, I'm not anti Christian. I'm anti HYPOCRITE "Christian". I've got a very well worn cross referenced bible that I read and "believed" for many years. The problem I ran into was the many CONTRADICTIONS and out right craziness in those pages. Reason, logic and common sense cannot be replaced by blind faith. And whoever put it together with the verses made a grave error because so many take the verses TOTALLY out of context. Jesus is not GOD. Try checking this out and see what you think. http://deism.com
No, I said that in relation to " the Old Law isn't in effect any more". You sound hysterical. And yes, Jesus is God too. It's not the Bible that sounds crazy, it's you. Can you point out the contradictions you're talking about? And how is it the fault of the one who put the verses together if someone else takes them out of context? It's you who's not making any sense here, not the Bible.