Everything is converging as Israel has enemies all around them. I would expect Ezek 38 war or Psalm 83 to be fulfilled any day. If we believe that the rapture of the Bride of Christ will happen before the 7 year tribulation period then perhaps Oct. 2-3 could be it. This period, each year, has been known for thousands of years as "no one knows the day or hour". Was Jesus giving us a clue? hmmm
Ezekiel 39....Egypt will defend Lebanon, Yemern Houthis masing in Syria near Golan. Iraq’s government and an Iraqi militia vow to send aid, fighters to Lebanon.
Sodom and Gomorrah USA, given over to destruction.
The rapture is also our “BLESSED HOPE” (aka “THE HARPAZO”) His snatching away of His church is IMMINENT. You don’t have to believe it. It’s not essential for salvation if you are pre-, mid, or post trib.
Goodness RBI…Your post may just be one of the most offensive, bitter, hateful, and unchristian like rants of the pre-tribulation rapture I have ever read.
While TRIBULATION saints—NOT Church Saints are being slaughtered by the Coming World Leader (read Anti-Christ), I’ll be watching it all from the Mezzanine in Heaven.
I have no personal opinion about the rapture, all I can say is what the Word of God clearly states, and I will always stand on the Word of God
In 2 thess 2
Paul talks about the rapture in the first two verses, "the Lord returning and us being gathered to Him." Then in vs 3 he writes, "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (the Rapture) will not come unless the (1)apostasy (the great falling away from the faith) comes first, and (2) the man of lawlessness (the Anti-Christ) is revealed, the son of destruction, and he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. This is the Abomination of Desolation (Rev 13:5-6, Daniel 9 &11 talk about the king that does this and even Jesus states it in Matt 24:15-31 Jesus talks about the abomination of Desolation happening and those days are cut short for the sake of the elect (the chosen ones-Christians). Daniel 11 36 and in verses 40-45 He makes his final stand (Armageddon). Then read the perfect description of the Rapture ch 12:1.
Paul says at the Last trumpet we will be all changed (rapture). Rev 17 sees the Kingdom of God is about to begin. Our commission is to spread the Gospel to the whole world and even Jesus will be with us to do this until the end of the age (church age). Thus that ends when the mission is completed in Rev 14:6. Just before the Bowl judgements call the wrath of God and as promised we will not experience God's wrath 1 thess 5:9.
Like you, I definitely take God's Word seriously and I stand on it's clear and literal meaning.
There are three key passages that need to be studied for an understanding of the actual event of the rapture of the Church: John 14:1-3, 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18, and I Corinthians 15:50-58.
You need to look at Luke 21: 34-36 for the earliest reference to a pre-trib rapture--"to escape these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." The means of escaping is to "stand before the Son of Man," which must happen at a place OFF THE EARTH, for there is not escape on the earth. That is exactly what happens at the rapture (John 14: 1-3) and 1 Thess 4:13-18).
Pre-trib rapture deliverance is taught in 1 Thess 1: 9-10. Pay particular attention to v. 9: "and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come." The closing words here are critical. The church at Thessalonica was waiting for the return of Jesus, who was coming to deliver them from the wrath to come.
Jesus is not returning for the purpose of delivering his church from hell or the lake of fire, for this has already been done at the cross.
The wrath that the church is being delivered from is the wrath of the great tribulation. God is coming for the specific purpose of delivering the Church from the wrath to come--the tribulation period.
It is my belief in taking God literally -- at His word! The believer is guaranteed deliverance both from God's general wrath against sin (Rom 5:9) and from the tribulation period (1 Thess 1:10).
The "day of the Lord" is a term that always refers to the the tribulation. 2 Thessalonians deals with the day of the lord and the tribulation, not the rapture. That is what Paul was addressing. It is God's wrath poured out in the tribulation. The Church is not appointed to that day. What is also true here is the Doctrine of Imminence--nothing needs to come to pass prior to the rapture. It is imminent. It can happen at any moment and it has been that way since 70 AD.
The bottom line for me is, if Revelation 3:10 only meant that the church will be kept safe during the tribulation, then something would go terribly wrong. Beginning with Rev. 6: 9-11, 11:7, 12:11, 13:7, 15; 14:13; 17:6; and 18:24, the tribulation saints are being slaughtered on a massive scale. If these believers are church saints as I think you and RBI are referencing, they are not being kept safe and Revelation 3:10 then becomes meaningless. And we know God's Word is not meaningless. Far from it. He says what He means and means what He says.
Don't you agree that the Church Saints and the Tribulation Saints must be kept distinct for the promise of Revelation 3:10 to make any sense? I think it absolutely does!
So is RBIs post an offensive, bitter, hateful, unchristian like rant because you don't agree with it? And I seriously doubt if you're going to be watching anything from some heavenly mezzanine...
I’m Ken in SC. It has been a while, but I could not get RBI’s comments to you out of my mind. His disrespect and rudeness, while a tad shocking, was also a tad comical.
My believing Christian neighbors visibly change when talk of a pre-trib rapture comes up. Their respiration and heart rates escalate, their faces get red and they are just short of foaming at the mouth. What gives? How does that work?
We were told scoffers would come, but what is it that sets them off?
You stand your ground and state your case well. Blessings.
Hi, Ken. Thanks for your comment. I usually do not engage people like RBI, but his mean-spirited and unfair comment was so over-the-top ridiculous and arrogant that I had to respond.
It is sad when Christians attack and disparage one another for a particular view.
I don’t know why people get so worked up about the rapture when it is something Christians should look forward to.
Jesus is “OUR BLESSED HOPE.” He will soon be coming in the clouds of Heaven to take His church home.
Signs are supposed to be for Christians to know the season o Christ's coming. How many more signs do we need. Most Christians can't even agree on the timeline or believe there even is a rapture. We are to keep watch. I believe we are living in Revelation chapter 5 presently & at the cusp of Ezek. 38 war.
I have tremendous respect for others with pre, mid and post or no tribe but honestly, America is the only nation on the earth that one can preach a secret rapture... but soon we will understand the plight of 75% of the world who are or have already endured tremendous suffering. Prayers for God to Awaken our Nation to the hard reality ahead. Rev 11:15
You forgot to mention the squaring of the Gas giant planets that occurs beginning of October which hasn't happened since 79 A.D. as well. David Dubyne on "Adapt 2023" on YouTube has some really good recent videos on that subject. We are truly in the Last Days friends. Please tell everyone you can about the ONLY escape hatch there is, Jesus!
I agree here, that the alignment here is very historic and could mean a great sign that evil is about to appear and that evil is central to God's judgement on this earth and the church.
A blood moon
for thousands of years, civilizations have feared that the lunar eclipse was an omen of evil or an indication that tragic events were on the horizon. (A sign evil is coming, or judgement)
A lunar eclipse
to the Ancient Mesopotamian people, believed that during the lunar eclipse, the Moon was being attacked by demons. Again (a sign of evil coming or judgement)
Comets,
In history a comet was more likely to inspire fear. Generally they were warnings of dire events. (Again a sign evil is coming or judgement)
Rosh Hashana, (Oct 2 to Oct 4, 2024
Is the Jewsih New Year on Tishri 1. Bringing in 10 days of self examination and repentance and then at the end of the 10 days is Yon Kipper (the day of atonement) because this holiday season is also seen as the annual day of Judgement followed by a day of atonement Oct 11-12, 2024.
So even in Israel the Jewish new year celibates another year completed but is also a warning of judgement that requires repentance and confession of sin (for 10 days) to be ready for the day of atonement. (It's a holiday season to get ready for God's judgement is coming)
So what is the great evil, the great deception to come before Jesus returns? Are these signs that this great evil is about to appear?
Jesus said in Matt 24, this great evil and deception must happen before He returns. Paul clearly says two great signs must happen before He returns to take us home,
1. The great falling away from the faith and directly connected to that 2. The man of sin comes, the man of lawlessness, the Anti-Christ comes even to be embraced by the Jews as their messiah and he rescues Israel and they believe he is the real Jesus and worship him as God in the coming temple. 2 thess. 2.
If this was about the second coming of Christ for His church, it's a great time to rejoice for our salvation draws near. But its not that, its a v very dark sign evil is coming, even for the church, trails and persecution, even onto death. That is already happening to Christians like in Nigeria now, when that man of sin comes it will come to all Christians. Jesus said in Matt 24 he gave us a warning, "I'm telling you ahead of time." What is he warning us about, the coming of the false prince of peace, who comes masquerading as an angel of light with real signs and wonders, even raising from the dead to fool the whole world.
Could these be the signs that brings all of this in. The church in the west is dying, people are leaving the church in droves and not having babies. The close nit family is dying. So that warning has already started, the last one is the Anti-Christ himself.
We will have to wait and see, watch and pray.
Are we ready to lay our lives down for Christ and face real persecution Jesus said the church would face before He returns. This is why we need to persevere to the end to be saved. Persevere what?
Persecution. Three signs that persecution for the church is coming and coming now!
Is it possible that the word Apostasia that King James translated as "Great Falling Away" was mistranslated in 2 Thessalonians 2:3? Strong's says the word means "Leave,Depart". Could that be that the Rapture has to happen before the man of Sin is revealed? I sure hope so!
I get that, and I'm aware of that, in fact early in my Christian life, I believed this.
But when you go back to the original Greek codex used for the translations for centuries they always translated "apostasy" literally means "from standing (in the Gospel to falling from my standing (faith in the Gospel)." So what does "from standing" mean? Now Strong's does say leaving/depart. Other experts say the word means rebellion, or to turn away from, depart or fall away. Strong's is the only one that says it's departing leaving.
This is the only time this word is used in the entire New Testament so we can only take it's meaning from the context that it is used in.
Paul begins vs1. by talking about the Lord coming to takes us home, we depart/leave this earth(Rapture).
vs.2 Paul is debunking the claim that the rapture either has just happened or is about to happen at any moment (i.e. time to get ready to go home or you missed it). Either meaning would have caused great alarm.
vs 3 Paul states don't be alarmed because 2 things must happen first before "we depart" to go home with the Lord. He says,
1. the apostasy comes first. (So how can we be delayed from leaving or departing the earth to be with the Lord, the rapture, by a great leaving or departing happens first)? In context rebellion falling away fit. Especially about the second event.
2. The man of sin is revealed (the Anti-Christ) The man of sin (Greek: ὁ ἄνθρωπος τῆς ἁμαρτίας, ho anthrōpos tēs hamartias) or man of lawlessness, (ἀνομίας, anomias), man of rebellion, man of insurrection, or man of apostasy is a figure referred to here by Paul. (Paul mentions these 2 events together because they are related.
Jesus said in Matt 24:10-13 "And then many (Christians) will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray (apostasy).
It's the only translation makes any sense.
Side point, thousands of Christians are being persecuted even onto death for their faith every year now. Why has not Jesus come before this happens. In fact Christians have been persecuted unto death for 2,000 years. We were never promised to be saved from persecution and death for our faith. It is even seen in God's eyes this a pleasing to God, even boated about Acts 5:40-41.
What we were promised we would go home at the last (7th) trumpet. At that time the Kingdom is announced as about to come and the Bowl judgements (the wrath of God) we would avoid God's wrath, that is when we go home Daniel 11:36-12:3.
Signs of times people reference in current celestial events mean the end of the world are meaningless. Solar weather and earth magnetics do affect people and climate. However current events do not give any indication we are in last days as some are commenting and predicting. World Events according to solar weather will be planet freeze as early as 2029 via Atlantic Oscillation. . 2089 maybe magnetic pole reversal of which people in past earth history survived. 2100 comes the end of the age. Daniel 12:7 for a time, times, and half a time was calculated by Newton. 2100 is the end of the Piscean age I am told.
Oct 2nd is the Beginning of the Tribulation Period. And thankfully, the end of the most absurd and evil Religious Theory in the past 2,000 years. A Theory developed by Lucifer, and has divided and polarized (and deceived!) Christians more than all other Religious Theories & Dogmatic Interpretations combined! What theory is that? The Theory of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Let's put that obscenity to rest, and get busy preparing to meet our LORD Jesus Christ in about 7 years. There WILL be persecutions and battles for the Believers, but that is to be expected, anticipated, and prepared for - as it is carefully explained to us in the Bible. Likewise, we are going to be Victorious in Overcoming Evil. You can't be Victorious without a Battle, yes? Let us be prepared for the biggest and final battle in history, and show ourselves worthy to Reign with Christ for 1,000 years!
Matthew 24:45-51 describes the conduct of people like you RBI. You claim our Lord delays his coming and you beat us, His fellow servants, your brothers and sisters in Christ for having our "Blessed Hope" that Jesus will perform His word that he told us in Revelation 3:10. Please prayerfully seek the Lord in this before you call our Hope absurd, evil, and luciferian.
RBI you got on your high horse about the rapture. True and only one view is correct. But until that time you can express what the Word of God as you see it. But this comes within the realm of orthodoxy. So what do we do? We can state what we believe, and no matter what side you are on give grace in doing so. Jesus said as you see these things take place then you will know. And we will came into agreement as we see these things take place. In the mean time Grace and lots of it. Having the wrong view of eschatology, in most cases will not send you to hell.
So RBI I will not judge your statement about Oct 2 2024 is the beginning of the Tribulation, but patiently wait for you to communicate the events of Oct 2nd to show that your right, using scripture as support. And if your right I will be the first one to celebrate with you. Lets see what the next two weeks brings.
Everything is converging as Israel has enemies all around them. I would expect Ezek 38 war or Psalm 83 to be fulfilled any day. If we believe that the rapture of the Bride of Christ will happen before the 7 year tribulation period then perhaps Oct. 2-3 could be it. This period, each year, has been known for thousands of years as "no one knows the day or hour". Was Jesus giving us a clue? hmmm
The big war is at the door. Iran, Islam
v.s. Israel.
Ezekiel 39....Egypt will defend Lebanon, Yemern Houthis masing in Syria near Golan. Iraq’s government and an Iraqi militia vow to send aid, fighters to Lebanon.
Sodom and Gomorrah USA, given over to destruction.
Psalm 9:17 kjv
The rapture is also our “BLESSED HOPE” (aka “THE HARPAZO”) His snatching away of His church is IMMINENT. You don’t have to believe it. It’s not essential for salvation if you are pre-, mid, or post trib.
Goodness RBI…Your post may just be one of the most offensive, bitter, hateful, and unchristian like rants of the pre-tribulation rapture I have ever read.
While TRIBULATION saints—NOT Church Saints are being slaughtered by the Coming World Leader (read Anti-Christ), I’ll be watching it all from the Mezzanine in Heaven.
I have no personal opinion about the rapture, all I can say is what the Word of God clearly states, and I will always stand on the Word of God
In 2 thess 2
Paul talks about the rapture in the first two verses, "the Lord returning and us being gathered to Him." Then in vs 3 he writes, "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (the Rapture) will not come unless the (1)apostasy (the great falling away from the faith) comes first, and (2) the man of lawlessness (the Anti-Christ) is revealed, the son of destruction, and he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. This is the Abomination of Desolation (Rev 13:5-6, Daniel 9 &11 talk about the king that does this and even Jesus states it in Matt 24:15-31 Jesus talks about the abomination of Desolation happening and those days are cut short for the sake of the elect (the chosen ones-Christians). Daniel 11 36 and in verses 40-45 He makes his final stand (Armageddon). Then read the perfect description of the Rapture ch 12:1.
Paul says at the Last trumpet we will be all changed (rapture). Rev 17 sees the Kingdom of God is about to begin. Our commission is to spread the Gospel to the whole world and even Jesus will be with us to do this until the end of the age (church age). Thus that ends when the mission is completed in Rev 14:6. Just before the Bowl judgements call the wrath of God and as promised we will not experience God's wrath 1 thess 5:9.
Like you, I definitely take God's Word seriously and I stand on it's clear and literal meaning.
There are three key passages that need to be studied for an understanding of the actual event of the rapture of the Church: John 14:1-3, 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18, and I Corinthians 15:50-58.
You need to look at Luke 21: 34-36 for the earliest reference to a pre-trib rapture--"to escape these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." The means of escaping is to "stand before the Son of Man," which must happen at a place OFF THE EARTH, for there is not escape on the earth. That is exactly what happens at the rapture (John 14: 1-3) and 1 Thess 4:13-18).
Pre-trib rapture deliverance is taught in 1 Thess 1: 9-10. Pay particular attention to v. 9: "and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come." The closing words here are critical. The church at Thessalonica was waiting for the return of Jesus, who was coming to deliver them from the wrath to come.
Jesus is not returning for the purpose of delivering his church from hell or the lake of fire, for this has already been done at the cross.
The wrath that the church is being delivered from is the wrath of the great tribulation. God is coming for the specific purpose of delivering the Church from the wrath to come--the tribulation period.
It is my belief in taking God literally -- at His word! The believer is guaranteed deliverance both from God's general wrath against sin (Rom 5:9) and from the tribulation period (1 Thess 1:10).
The "day of the Lord" is a term that always refers to the the tribulation. 2 Thessalonians deals with the day of the lord and the tribulation, not the rapture. That is what Paul was addressing. It is God's wrath poured out in the tribulation. The Church is not appointed to that day. What is also true here is the Doctrine of Imminence--nothing needs to come to pass prior to the rapture. It is imminent. It can happen at any moment and it has been that way since 70 AD.
The bottom line for me is, if Revelation 3:10 only meant that the church will be kept safe during the tribulation, then something would go terribly wrong. Beginning with Rev. 6: 9-11, 11:7, 12:11, 13:7, 15; 14:13; 17:6; and 18:24, the tribulation saints are being slaughtered on a massive scale. If these believers are church saints as I think you and RBI are referencing, they are not being kept safe and Revelation 3:10 then becomes meaningless. And we know God's Word is not meaningless. Far from it. He says what He means and means what He says.
Don't you agree that the Church Saints and the Tribulation Saints must be kept distinct for the promise of Revelation 3:10 to make any sense? I think it absolutely does!
Trib saints are Church Saints.
The falling away of unprepared escape rapture deceived 5 foolish virgins of Matthew
25 who didn't believe they needed more oil approaches.
We will agree to disagree. Either way, it’s not essential to salvation.
So is RBIs post an offensive, bitter, hateful, unchristian like rant because you don't agree with it? And I seriously doubt if you're going to be watching anything from some heavenly mezzanine...
No, I absolutely don’t agree with what he wrote about the pre-trib rapture—not by a long shot. But that wasn’t my point.
My point was the incendiary rhetoric that RBI used.
RBI isn’t looking for our Lord’s imminent return to rapture His church. Fine! That is his view.
However, it doesn’t make my pre-trib belief in the rapture wrong, absurd, evil, satanic, obscene, or dogmatic as he so adamantly proclaimed.
And, yes, I will be watching from the Mezzanine! And so will RBI and the entirety of the Church saints.
We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. We are all his servants no matter our view on the rapture.
Teri,
I’m Ken in SC. It has been a while, but I could not get RBI’s comments to you out of my mind. His disrespect and rudeness, while a tad shocking, was also a tad comical.
My believing Christian neighbors visibly change when talk of a pre-trib rapture comes up. Their respiration and heart rates escalate, their faces get red and they are just short of foaming at the mouth. What gives? How does that work?
We were told scoffers would come, but what is it that sets them off?
You stand your ground and state your case well. Blessings.
Hi, Ken. Thanks for your comment. I usually do not engage people like RBI, but his mean-spirited and unfair comment was so over-the-top ridiculous and arrogant that I had to respond.
It is sad when Christians attack and disparage one another for a particular view.
I don’t know why people get so worked up about the rapture when it is something Christians should look forward to.
Jesus is “OUR BLESSED HOPE.” He will soon be coming in the clouds of Heaven to take His church home.
I say, COME LORD JESUS!
Maranatha!
Blessings to you, brother! 😀
Signs in the heavens and earth…momentous times!
Signs are supposed to be for Christians to know the season o Christ's coming. How many more signs do we need. Most Christians can't even agree on the timeline or believe there even is a rapture. We are to keep watch. I believe we are living in Revelation chapter 5 presently & at the cusp of Ezek. 38 war.
I have tremendous respect for others with pre, mid and post or no tribe but honestly, America is the only nation on the earth that one can preach a secret rapture... but soon we will understand the plight of 75% of the world who are or have already endured tremendous suffering. Prayers for God to Awaken our Nation to the hard reality ahead. Rev 11:15
You forgot to mention the squaring of the Gas giant planets that occurs beginning of October which hasn't happened since 79 A.D. as well. David Dubyne on "Adapt 2023" on YouTube has some really good recent videos on that subject. We are truly in the Last Days friends. Please tell everyone you can about the ONLY escape hatch there is, Jesus!
Lord Save as many as possible 🙏🙏🙏
I agree here, that the alignment here is very historic and could mean a great sign that evil is about to appear and that evil is central to God's judgement on this earth and the church.
A blood moon
for thousands of years, civilizations have feared that the lunar eclipse was an omen of evil or an indication that tragic events were on the horizon. (A sign evil is coming, or judgement)
A lunar eclipse
to the Ancient Mesopotamian people, believed that during the lunar eclipse, the Moon was being attacked by demons. Again (a sign of evil coming or judgement)
Comets,
In history a comet was more likely to inspire fear. Generally they were warnings of dire events. (Again a sign evil is coming or judgement)
Rosh Hashana, (Oct 2 to Oct 4, 2024
Is the Jewsih New Year on Tishri 1. Bringing in 10 days of self examination and repentance and then at the end of the 10 days is Yon Kipper (the day of atonement) because this holiday season is also seen as the annual day of Judgement followed by a day of atonement Oct 11-12, 2024.
So even in Israel the Jewish new year celibates another year completed but is also a warning of judgement that requires repentance and confession of sin (for 10 days) to be ready for the day of atonement. (It's a holiday season to get ready for God's judgement is coming)
So what is the great evil, the great deception to come before Jesus returns? Are these signs that this great evil is about to appear?
Jesus said in Matt 24, this great evil and deception must happen before He returns. Paul clearly says two great signs must happen before He returns to take us home,
1. The great falling away from the faith and directly connected to that 2. The man of sin comes, the man of lawlessness, the Anti-Christ comes even to be embraced by the Jews as their messiah and he rescues Israel and they believe he is the real Jesus and worship him as God in the coming temple. 2 thess. 2.
If this was about the second coming of Christ for His church, it's a great time to rejoice for our salvation draws near. But its not that, its a v very dark sign evil is coming, even for the church, trails and persecution, even onto death. That is already happening to Christians like in Nigeria now, when that man of sin comes it will come to all Christians. Jesus said in Matt 24 he gave us a warning, "I'm telling you ahead of time." What is he warning us about, the coming of the false prince of peace, who comes masquerading as an angel of light with real signs and wonders, even raising from the dead to fool the whole world.
Could these be the signs that brings all of this in. The church in the west is dying, people are leaving the church in droves and not having babies. The close nit family is dying. So that warning has already started, the last one is the Anti-Christ himself.
We will have to wait and see, watch and pray.
Are we ready to lay our lives down for Christ and face real persecution Jesus said the church would face before He returns. This is why we need to persevere to the end to be saved. Persevere what?
Persecution. Three signs that persecution for the church is coming and coming now!
Could not say it any better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKJwvQfraY8
Is it possible that the word Apostasia that King James translated as "Great Falling Away" was mistranslated in 2 Thessalonians 2:3? Strong's says the word means "Leave,Depart". Could that be that the Rapture has to happen before the man of Sin is revealed? I sure hope so!
I get that, and I'm aware of that, in fact early in my Christian life, I believed this.
But when you go back to the original Greek codex used for the translations for centuries they always translated "apostasy" literally means "from standing (in the Gospel to falling from my standing (faith in the Gospel)." So what does "from standing" mean? Now Strong's does say leaving/depart. Other experts say the word means rebellion, or to turn away from, depart or fall away. Strong's is the only one that says it's departing leaving.
This is the only time this word is used in the entire New Testament so we can only take it's meaning from the context that it is used in.
Paul begins vs1. by talking about the Lord coming to takes us home, we depart/leave this earth(Rapture).
vs.2 Paul is debunking the claim that the rapture either has just happened or is about to happen at any moment (i.e. time to get ready to go home or you missed it). Either meaning would have caused great alarm.
vs 3 Paul states don't be alarmed because 2 things must happen first before "we depart" to go home with the Lord. He says,
1. the apostasy comes first. (So how can we be delayed from leaving or departing the earth to be with the Lord, the rapture, by a great leaving or departing happens first)? In context rebellion falling away fit. Especially about the second event.
2. The man of sin is revealed (the Anti-Christ) The man of sin (Greek: ὁ ἄνθρωπος τῆς ἁμαρτίας, ho anthrōpos tēs hamartias) or man of lawlessness, (ἀνομίας, anomias), man of rebellion, man of insurrection, or man of apostasy is a figure referred to here by Paul. (Paul mentions these 2 events together because they are related.
Jesus said in Matt 24:10-13 "And then many (Christians) will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray (apostasy).
It's the only translation makes any sense.
Side point, thousands of Christians are being persecuted even onto death for their faith every year now. Why has not Jesus come before this happens. In fact Christians have been persecuted unto death for 2,000 years. We were never promised to be saved from persecution and death for our faith. It is even seen in God's eyes this a pleasing to God, even boated about Acts 5:40-41.
What we were promised we would go home at the last (7th) trumpet. At that time the Kingdom is announced as about to come and the Bowl judgements (the wrath of God) we would avoid God's wrath, that is when we go home Daniel 11:36-12:3.
Thanks Michael, for these great reminders and educating us on what’s happening! God is in control—Maranatha!
Here is a calendar of the Hebrew holidays that begin on October 2nd.
https://x.com/HonnoldSamuel/status/1832489947128811990?t=5co2YnKSqryIzVMF2jeDYg&s=19
Eschatology of the Post-Apostolic Church
http://www.christianissues.biz/pdf-bin/endtimes/timwarner/earlychurchendtimes.pdf
DUAL RETURN PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE DECEPTION
https://www.brighteon.com/ab7d6bff-7e6e-4695-ab79-8d27c960649d
Signs of times people reference in current celestial events mean the end of the world are meaningless. Solar weather and earth magnetics do affect people and climate. However current events do not give any indication we are in last days as some are commenting and predicting. World Events according to solar weather will be planet freeze as early as 2029 via Atlantic Oscillation. . 2089 maybe magnetic pole reversal of which people in past earth history survived. 2100 comes the end of the age. Daniel 12:7 for a time, times, and half a time was calculated by Newton. 2100 is the end of the Piscean age I am told.
Am I the only one who saw that comments name was Apophis and thought of Stargate: SG1? No?
Oct 2nd is the Beginning of the Tribulation Period. And thankfully, the end of the most absurd and evil Religious Theory in the past 2,000 years. A Theory developed by Lucifer, and has divided and polarized (and deceived!) Christians more than all other Religious Theories & Dogmatic Interpretations combined! What theory is that? The Theory of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Let's put that obscenity to rest, and get busy preparing to meet our LORD Jesus Christ in about 7 years. There WILL be persecutions and battles for the Believers, but that is to be expected, anticipated, and prepared for - as it is carefully explained to us in the Bible. Likewise, we are going to be Victorious in Overcoming Evil. You can't be Victorious without a Battle, yes? Let us be prepared for the biggest and final battle in history, and show ourselves worthy to Reign with Christ for 1,000 years!
Matthew 24:45-51 describes the conduct of people like you RBI. You claim our Lord delays his coming and you beat us, His fellow servants, your brothers and sisters in Christ for having our "Blessed Hope" that Jesus will perform His word that he told us in Revelation 3:10. Please prayerfully seek the Lord in this before you call our Hope absurd, evil, and luciferian.
RBI you got on your high horse about the rapture. True and only one view is correct. But until that time you can express what the Word of God as you see it. But this comes within the realm of orthodoxy. So what do we do? We can state what we believe, and no matter what side you are on give grace in doing so. Jesus said as you see these things take place then you will know. And we will came into agreement as we see these things take place. In the mean time Grace and lots of it. Having the wrong view of eschatology, in most cases will not send you to hell.
So RBI I will not judge your statement about Oct 2 2024 is the beginning of the Tribulation, but patiently wait for you to communicate the events of Oct 2nd to show that your right, using scripture as support. And if your right I will be the first one to celebrate with you. Lets see what the next two weeks brings.